Credit: Steve KerosPearl Jam's show in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Wednesday was extra spicy thanks to members of Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Drummer Chad Smith and guitarist Josh Klinghoffer joined Eddie Vedder and company onstage during the concert to perform a cover of Neil Young's "Rockin' in the Free World." You can watch fan-shot footage of the performance now on YouTube.
Pearl Jam also brought out Smith to play on their new song "Can't Deny Me," the first single from the band's forthcoming 11th studio album. Fan footage of that collaboration is streaming on YouTube, as well.
There'll be another chance for Pearl Jam and Red Hot Chili Peppers to collaborate when both bands play Lollapalooza Brazil in São Paulo this weekend. While PJ will return to the U.S. this summer for a brief stadium tour, the Chili Peppers don't have any more tour dates currently scheduled.
Alberto E. Rodriguez/WireImageSir Elton John loves a good gnome-themed literary pun.
The pop-rock legend produced the 2011 animated film Gnomeo & Juliet and returns as producer for its upcoming sequel, Sherlock Gnomes. He also contributed original music for the film's soundtrack, including one song titled "Stronger," performed by Mary J. Blige as the character Irene.
Actor James McAvoy, who voices Gnomeo in the film, says Elton's music really helped bring the movie to life.
"It gives a very particular character to the movie," McAvoy tells ABC Radio. "His music is so full of energy, which you need in these types of films, I think."
He adds, "But the fact that it comes from one singer and one mind, one heart, gives the movie a real character of its own, just musically."
McAvoy got to meet Sir Elton during production of Gnomeo & Juliet. He says they hung out a little bit and discussed Rocketman, the in-development film about Elton’s life.
Sherlock Gnomes -- which also features the voices of Emily Blunt, Johnny Depp and Chiwetel Ejiofor -- hits theaters this Friday.
Eagle Rock Entertainment/Republic RecordsThe new John Mellencamp concert film and documentary that premiered last month on Netflix is now set to be released as a home video May 11. Plain Spoken: From the Chicago Theatre, which focuses on an October 2016 performance that the Rock & Roll Hall of Famer gave at the famed Windy City venue, will be available as a DVD/CD and a Blu-ray/CD set, and on digital formats.
In addition to footage from the concert, the video features narration from Mellencamp discussing growing up in the Midwest, the ups and downs of his career, and his musings on life in general. The show, which took place during John's tour in support of his 2014 album Plain Spoken, featured Mellencamp and his band performing several selections from that record, a couple tunes from his 2017 follow-up, Sad Clowns & Hillbillies, along with plenty of his classic hits.
Carlene Carter, the late Johnny Cash's stepdaughter, was Mellencamp's special guest at the concert, and went on to collaborate with John on Sad Clowns & Hillbillies.
The Plain Spoken: From the Chicago Theatre DVD and Blu-ray also offer a "non-commentary" option where you can watch the concert without Mellencamp's narration. The CD included in the packages features audio of the full performance.
Check a video clip of Mellencamp performing his classic hit "Small Town" from the Plain Spoken film on John's official VEVO YouTube channel.
Here's the full track list of Plain Spoken: From the Chicago Theatre:
"Lawless Times" "Troubled Man" "Minutes to Memories" "Small Town" "Stones in My Passway" "Pop Singer" "Check It Out" "Longest Days" "The Full Catastrophe" "My Soul's Got Wings" "Overture" "Rain on the Scarecrow" "Paper in Fire" "Authority Song" "Pink Houses" "Cherry Bomb"
Robert Plant and the Sensational Space Shifters and Foo Fighters are among the artists who will headline the fourth annual KAABOO Del Mar festival, which is scheduled for September 14-16 in Del Mar, California.
The three-day extravaganza will feature performances from a wide variety of artists, including other veteran acts like Billy Idol, The Zombies, Blondie, Alice in Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Slash featuring Myles Kennedy & the Conspirators, Earth, Wind & Fire, War, Melissa Etheridge, Elvin Bishop, Tower of Power, The English Beat, Everclear, Candlebox, and Soul Asylum.
Pop star Katy Perry and modern rockers Imagine Dragons are among the festival headliners.
KAABOO Del Mar, which takes place at the Del Mar Racetrack north of San Diego, also features comedy performances, art exhibits, gourmet food and drinks.
Tickets go on sale at noon ET today, March 22. For the full lineup and ticket info, visit KAABOODelMar.com.
Charles Sykes/BravoIn a recent interview, Rod Stewart said he teased his friend Elton John for announcing that his upcoming tour will be his last and that he's retiring from the road. Now, Rod is taking it a step further, branding retirement announcements as "dishonest."
Appearing Wednesday night onWatch What Happens Live! with his summer tour mate, Cyndi Lauper, Rod was asked by a caller what he thought of Elton's farewell tour announcement. After reiterating that he'd teased Elton about it, Rod then got serious.
"I've never spoken about retirement, and if I do retire, I won't make an announcement, I'll just fade away," he told host Andy Cohen, adding disgustedly, "[Making] this big deal -- 'I'm going to retire' -- it so stinks of selling tickets."
Then, when Cyndi jokingly suggested that she and Rod pretend they're retiring in order to boost ticket sales, Rod really slammed the concept.
"It's dishonest," he said. "It's not rock and roll." Wonder how that'll go over with Elton?
Rod's currently touring Canada. His summer tour with Cyndi kicks off June 25 at the Hollywood Bowl.
Credit: Olivia BeeBilly Corgan touches on a variety of topics in his first interview since Smashing Pumpkins announced their Shiny and Oh So Bright reunion tour. Speaking with The New York Times, Corgan talks for the first time about original bassist D'arcy Wretzky's exclusion from the reunion.
Leading up to the reunion announcement, Wretzky said Corgan had told her she'd be a part of the project, only to rescind that offer. She also shared her texts with Corgan. In a subsequent interview, Wretzky called Corgan "insufferable" and said that he "may have a brain tumor."
"I think what she did demonstrates why she couldn't be involved," Corgan now says of Wretzky. "I was vulnerable and shared things and trusted that there was a reason to give it a chance, despite plenty of empirical evidence that that was not a wise decision."
Corgan adds that the bridge between him and Wretzky is now burned "forever." Instead, Jack Bates, son of New Order's Peter Hook, will play bass on the tour.
Wretzky also said Corgan supported President Donald Trump, but Corgan says he hasn't voted since casting a ballot for Bill Clinton in 1992.
"I'm a free-market libertarian capitalist," Corgan says. "I'm not anti-anything except establishment. I find institutions and systems suspicious."
Additionally, Corgan addressed his controversial reputation, saying that if "kept my mouth shut," the Pumpkins would be "a lot more successful." However, he also refers to himself a "class-A heel," a wrestling term for a villain. In fact, he thinks he's the number-two heel in rock history, only behind Lou Reed.
"I would say 80 percent of the things that I get held up and mocked for, I'm doing intentionally," Corgan says. "It's sort of funny to me that they actually think I'm that stupid."
Jeff Kravitz/FilmMagicRush became a member of the Canadian Music Hall of Fame back in 1994, and now the group's frontman, Geddy Lee, will be on hand at the 2018 Juno Awards this Sunday to induct his countrymen Barenaked Ladies, along with their former lead singer Steven Page.
The ceremony takes place at the Rogers Arena in Vancouver at 5 p.m. PT. It'll air live on CBC, and also will be streamed globally at CBCMusic.ca/Junos.
Among the other artists who'' serve as presenters at the event are two fellow Canadian Music Hall of Fame inductees: acclaimed producer Bob Rock and folk great Buffy Sainte-Marie. Rock has produced albums by the likes of Metallica, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Motley Crue, Bryan Adams, Loverboy and The Cult.
Crooner Michael Bublé will host this year's edition of the Junos, the Canadian equivalent of the Grammys.
Credit: Scott UchidaSlash is back to rock solo once more.
The Guns N' Roses guitarist will release his third studio album this fall with his backing band, Myles Kennedy & the Conspirators. The currently untitled collection will be the follow-up to 2014's World on Fire, which spawned the hit title track and the single "Bent to Fly."
“I'm excited about the new stuff we put together for this next record," says Slash in a statement. "It's got some cool songs and it's got a great live feel."
Slash and company will hit the road in support of the new album this fall on a North American tour, the details of which will be announced at a later date. Prior to that, the famed guitarist will embark on a summer European tour with Guns N' Roses.
Courtesy of Momentum PicturesA documentary titled Steven Tyler: Out on a Limb, focusing on the making of the Aerosmith singer's country-flavored debut solo album We're All Somebody from Somewhere, will premiere at the Nashville Film Festival's opening night on May 10.
In conjunction with the premiere, Nashville Mayor David Briley will proclaim May 10 "Steven Tyler Day" in Music City, and the the rock legend will attend the celebration.
"Nashville is a key part of my musical journey and has had an influential place in my career, so this recognition from the city is a tremendous honor," says Tyler in a statement. "I'm also so touched that the Nashville Film Festival selected Steven Tyler: Out on a Limb to kick off opening night of this year's event."
The documentary offers a behind-the-scenes look at Tyler as he works on the album, which found him exploring country music influences. It includes narration from Tyler, interviews with various collaborators and musical friends -- including Slash -- and footage from a performance at Nashville's famed Ryman Auditorium.
Steven Tyler: Out on a Limb was directed by Casey Tebo, whose resume also includes the 2013 Aerosmith concert film Rock for the Rising Sun and the band's "Legendary Child" video.
During the film fest, Tyler and his solo group The Loving Mary Band will play a May 12 concert at the The Woods at Fontanel in Nashville. Meanwhile, Tyler has confirmed dates for his 2018 solo tour.
Here are all of the North American dates:
6/12 -- Lewiston, NY, Artpark 6/18 -- New York, NY, SummerStage - City Parks Foundation Annual Gala 6/21 -- Vienna, VA, Wolf Trap 6/24 -- Bethlehem, PA, Sands Bethlehem Event Center 6/30 -- Northfield, OH, Hard Rock Rocksino Northfield Park 6/27 -- Detroit, MI, Sound Board 7/7 -- Naperville, IL, Ribfest - Knoch Park 7/11 -- Calgary, AB, Canada, Cowboys Calgary
Courtesy of Rocktopia; Danny McClisterCheap Trick frontman Robin Zander has signed on to make an appearance as a featured singer next month in the just-launched Broadway production Rocktopia, which combines classic rock with classical music.
The Rock & Roll Hall of Famer's stint with the show will run from April 23 to April 29, and will mark his Broadway debut.
Rocktopia features a variety of accomplished vocalists performing with a 20-piece orchestra, a rock band and a 40-person choir, and the repertoire includes songs by Journey, Queen, U2, Aerosmith, Heart, Led Zeppelin and The Who, as well as classical works from the likes of Mozart, Handel, Tchaikovsky, and Beethoven. Fans also can expect Zander to sing at least one classic Cheap Trick tune during his stint.
Train singer Pat Monahan is currently the featured guest singer in Rocktopia through the show's April 8 performance. The production's six week run began Tuesday, March 20, at New York's Broadway Theater, with its official opening scheduled for March 27. It winds down on April 29, which also will be Zander's last performance.
Tickets for Rocktopia are on sale now via Telecharge.com.
As previously reported, Zander and Cheap Trick will be teaming up with Poison for a North American tour that kicks off May 18 in Irvine, California. Visit CheapTrick.com to check out the band's full itinerary.
ABC/Rick CartwrightRoger Daltrey helped make a California doctor's 60th birthday an extremely special one, when the Who singer and his solo band played Saturday at a party for the pain-medicine specialist, TMZ reports.
According to the tabloid website, Dr. Craig Flashner, who owns more than 500 nursing homes across the U.S., paid a cool million dollars to have Roger rock out at his bash. A video clip posted on TMZ from the party shows Daltrey onstage singing "My Generation" as Dr. Flashner helps out with backing vocals.
A separate video posted on YouTube captures Roger and his band playing "Won't Get Fooled Again."
The party, which took place at Flashner's home in the Los Angeles suburb of Westlake Village, also featured Cirque du Soleil performers and fire eaters.
RhinoFleetwood Mac's best-selling 1977 album Rumours is among the 25 entries for 2017 into The Library of Congress' National Recording Registry, the collection of recorded works singled out for their historical, cultural or aesthetic significance.
Also on the list: rock 'n' roll pioneers Bill Haley and His Comets' influential 1954 single "(We're Gonna) Rock Around the Clock" (single), Kenny Loggins' chart-topping 1984 hit "Footloose," Arlo Guthrie's 1967 Thanksgiving classic "Alice's Restaurant Massacree," the soundtrack to the 1965 movie musical The Sound of Music, The Temptations' 1964 smash "My Girl," Chic's 1978 disco classic "Le Freak" and Run-DMC's 1986 album Raising Hell, featuring the rap group's groundbreaking collaboration with Aerosmith on "Walk This Way."
Not every recording entering the registry is music. Among the more eclectic entries are "Proceedings of the United Nations Conference on International Organization (4/25/45-6/26/45)" and the 1972 album An Evening with Groucho, documenting the final one-man show by the legendary comedian Groucho Marx.
This latest batch of entries bring the total number of recordings in the National Recording Registry to 500.
Here are all 25 of this year's entries, in chronological order:
"Dream Melody Intermezzo: Naughty Marietta" (single), Victor Herbert and his Orchestra (1911) "Standing Rock Preservation Recordings, George Herzog and Members of the Yanktoni Tribe" (1928) "Lamento Borincano" (single), Canario y Su Grupo (1930) "Sitting on Top of the World" (single), Mississippi Sheiks (1930) The Complete Beethoven Piano Sonatas (album), Artur Schnabel (1932-1935) "If I Didn't Care" (single), The Ink Spots (1939) "Proceedings of the United Nations Conference on International Organization (4/25/45-6/26/45)" Folk Songs of the Hills (album), Merle Travis (1946) "How I Got Over" (single), Clara Ward and the Ward Singers (1950) "(We're Gonna) Rock Around the Clock" (single), Bill Haley and His Comets (1954) Calypso, Harry Belafonte (1956) "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" (single), Tony Bennett (1962) "King Biscuit Time" (radio), Sonny Boy Williamson II and others (1965) "My Girl" (single), The Temptations (1964) The Sound of Music (soundtrack), Various (1965) "Alice's Restaurant Massacree" (single), Arlo Guthrie (1967) New Sounds in Electronic Music (album), Steve Reich, Richard Maxfield, Pauline Oliveros (1967) An Evening with Groucho (album), Groucho Marx (1972) Rumours (album), Fleetwood Mac (1977) "The Gambler" (single), Kenny Rogers (1978) "Le Freak" (single), Chic (1978) "Footloose" (single), Kenny Loggins (1984) Raising Hell (album), Run-DMC (1986) "Rhythm Is Gonna Get You" (single), Gloria Estefan and the Miami Sound Machine (1987) Yo-Yo Ma Premieres: Concertos for Violoncello and Orchestra (album), Various (1996)
This marks the third time that the show has been extended since its initial eight-week run began in October of 2017.
Tickets for the new dates will go on sale Wednesday, March 28, at 11 a.m. ET, and will be available to people who previously registered with the Ticketmaster Verified Fan program. Registered fans will be contacted by Ticketmaster with more details on Monday, March 26.
Meanwhile, after the March 28 on-sale date, a limited number of tickets to each upcoming show will be offered for a discounted price through a special online lottery system at LuckySeat.com/springsteen-broadway.
Springsteen on Broadway began previews on October 3, 2017, and officially opened October 12. Before the latest run was announced, the show had been scheduled to end with a June 30, 2018, performance.
As Bruce explained in an initial press statement, the show "is just me, the guitar, the piano and the words and music. Some of the show is spoken, some of it is sung."
During the show, Springsteen is often joined onstage for two songs by his wife, E Street Band backing vocalist Patti Scialfa.
Credit: Mark OwenThe Moody Blues wrapped up its latest U.S. tour leg in January with a four-show Las Vegas engagement at the Wynn resort's Encore Theater. Now, the veteran British rockers have announced plans to return to the venue for a new series of concerts in the fall.
The influential band has lined up a nine-date residency, running from September 19 through October 6. The shows will be extension of The Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed 50th Anniversary Tour, during which the group will perform its classic 1967 concept album, Days of Future Passed, as well as a set of popular songs from throughout its long career.
Tickets for the Vegas concerts are on sale now. Visit WynnLasVegas.com for more information.
As previously reported, The Moody Blues will be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame at a ceremony held April 14 in Cleveland. The band will be honored alongside Bon Jovi, The Cars, Dire Straits, Nina Simone and Sister Rosetta Tharpe.
Two days before the gala event, Moodies members Justin Hayward, John Lodge and Graeme Edge will take part in an interview session at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. The event, set for April 12 at 7 p.m. ET, also will be streamed live on the Rock Hall's Facebook page.
Here are all of the dates of The Moody Blues' upcoming residency at the Wynn Las Vegas' Encore Theater:
The 18th annual Teenage Cancer Trust benefit concert series, organized by The Who's Roger Daltrey, kicked off Monday at London's famous Royal Albert Hall. This year's lineup includes UB40, Nile Rodgers and Chic, Def Leppard and Daltrey himself, who will perform on Thursday.
Daltrey tells ABC Radio that he really appreciates the artists who donate their talents to the long-running series to help raise money for the U.K. charity, which helps fund recreational areas for teens and young adults in various hospitals.
"I'm just amazed that here we are 18 years later from the first year, still doing it," says the rock legend. "Seven days of charity shows where people actually give their time and their effort for free."
Roger points out that it was challenging to get high-profile acts to take part in this year's benefit shows because the events are scheduled at the same time as the South American Lollapalooza festivals. Daltrey says he's "very, very grateful" that Rodgers and Chic, who play tonight's benefit, signed on.
Speaking of Nile, the acclaimed funk-soul musician's own charity, the We Are Family Foundation, announced this week that it is presenting Daltrey with its 2018 Mattie J.T. Stepanek Peacemaker Award, which honors a person who helps promote a peaceful society. Roger is receiving the award because of his work with the Teenage Cancer Trust and its U.S. counterpart, Teen Cancer America.
Daltrey tells ABC Radio that Teen Cancer America is looking for U.S. corporate sponsors to contribute more money to fund recreational areas in hospitals.
"At the end of this year we'll have 18 hospitals finished, but we've got 60 more queuing up," he reports. "I can't do it all on my own, nor can The Who. So, we need you Americans to start standing up for this."
Credit: Amy GranthamAs Graham Nash winds down his latest U.S. solo tour this week, the folk-rock legend reports there's still no thaw in his feud with his longtime collaborator David Crosby, and so no plans for a Crosby, Stills & Nash reunion.
"None of us are talking to Crosby and we don't want to," Nash tells Minnesota newspaper The Star Tribune. "That's the way it is, I'm afraid."
As for how long it's been since he and Crosby spoke, Nash says, "Shockingly, over two years ago." He adds, I was his best friend for so many years. I saved his ass on so many levels it's insane. For him to treat one of his so-called best friends the way Crosby has treated me, I just won't stand for it."
Graham maintains that among the reasons for his rift with David was how his old friend reacted to what Nash wrote about him in his 2013 memoir, Wild Tales, claiming that much of it was B.S.
Nash notes that there's also currently no chance for a Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young reunion, "Because if I'm p***ed at Crosby, you can bet Neil [Young] is p***ed at Crosby.
As for how he's getting along with Young these days, Graham says, "Pretty good," while revealing that he recently met up with Neil and gave him back some of his handwritten lyrics sheets Nash had collected.
Nash points out that since he grew up as the only boy in his family, he would up considering David, Neil and Stephen Stills his brothers, but notes that "as usual with family, after 50 years, sometimes you don't agree with your family."
Here are the remaining dates of Graham's U.S. tour in support if his 2016 solo album, This Path Tonight:
3/20 -- Minneapolis, MN, The Dakota 3/21 -- Minneapolis, MN, The Dakota 3/23 -- Iowa City, IA, The Englert Theatre 3/24 -- Osceola, IA, Lakeside Casino
Credit: Michelle ShiersDuring his life, Scott Weiland was known for singing through a megaphone during his live performances. New Stone Temple Pilots singer Jeff Gutt, however, won't be bringing that move back to the stage.
Eerily enough, though, a megaphone was involved in convincing Gutt to take the STP gig. When he got the call telling him he got the job, Gutt was in his laundry room -- and a megaphone happened to be sitting next to the washing machine.
"I felt like that was Scott's way of giving me a little nod," Gutt says.
Stone Temple Pilots recently wrapped their first tour with Gutt in support of the band's new, self-titled album. They'll hit the road again for a festival run in April.
Credit: Doug SondersUnlike his friend Elton John, Rod Stewart has no plans to retire -- and he's not above making fun of Elton for announcing that his upcoming tour will be his last.
Speaking to the Calgary Sun, Stewart says that when he heard about John's "farewell" tour, "I did actually e-mail Elton and said, 'What? Again dear?' And I didn't hear anything back. I think he's upset with me."
When asked why the two have never toured together after being friends for 50 years, Rod says, "Trust me darling, I've tried so many times. He doesn't want the competition. He's stationary at the piano and I can still jump about and I don't think he likes the idea of that. But I have suggested it. It would be so much fun."
As for why the 73-year-old Stewart has no plans to retire, he tells the paper, "It doesn't even cross my mind -- I enjoy myself." But, he adds, "I might cut it back a little bit 'cause I've got eight children. The two youngest are six and near 13...I can't miss the magic moments of them growing up."
Meanwhile, he insists, "As for putting the word retirement out -- never! I'll just fade away into the bushes."
In the same interview, Stewart is asked if he ever met Donald Trump before he became president.
"Yeah. I lived just down the road from him in Palm Beach...and I used to always go to his Christmas Eve celebrations and a lot of his functions," recalls Rod. "And he always treated me extremely well. That's not the Donald Trump I'm watching on television at the moment."
Following a Canadian tour and his latest run of Las Vegas shows, Rod team up with Cyndi Lauper for a summer tour starting June 25.
John Stillwell - WPA Pool/Getty ImagesRingo Starr is now Sir Ringo Starr to you: He's been knighted in his U.K. homeland for his services to music.
On Tuesday, Prince Williampresented the Beatles drummer with the honor at Buckingham Palace in London. As per tradition, he knelt as William touched his shoulders with a ceremonial sword.
Starr told the BBC, "It means a lot actually. It means recognition for the things we've done. I was really pleased to accept this."
Ringo received his knighthood 53 years after The Beatles were given MBEs, aka "Most Excellent Order of the British Empire" honors, and 21 years after his band mate Paul McCartney was knighted.
Speaking to the BBC, Ringo said he missed having the rest of The Beatles around him, noting, "I was a bit shaky today on my own." However, he said Sir Paul gave him some advice last week: "Keep smiling."
As for whether he'll be known as Sir Ringo or Sir Richard Starkey -- his birth name -- he told reporters, "I don't know yet. It's new and I don't know how you use it properly." Then, he told one BBC reporter, "But I expect you to use it."
The 77-year-old drummer, who arrived at the ceremony with wife Barbara Bach, predicted of his medal, "I'll be wearing it at breakfast."
Robby Krieger & John Densmore on The Big Interview (News & Guts Media/ AXS TV)A new film documenting a star-studded 2016 tribute concert to late Doors keyboardist Ray Manzarek will premiere on April 28 at the New Jersey's Asbury Park Music & Film Festival.
The screening of the movie, Break On Thru: A Celebration of Ray Manzarek and The Doors, takes place at noon ET at House of Independents in Asbury Park and will be followed by a panel discussion featuring Doors drummer John Densmore and director Justin Kreutzmann.
Densmore tells ABC Radio that he "can't wait till [the film] comes out."
The concert the film documents took place on February 12, 2016 -- which would've been Manzarek's 76th birthday -- at the Fonda Theatre in Los Angeles. John reunited with Doors guitarist Robby Krieger at the show, and they were joined by various members of Stone Temple Pilots, Jane's Addiction, Foo Fighters and X.
"It was really cool," Densmore says of the concert. Manzarek died of bile duct cancer in May 2013. He was 74.
In other news, Densmore and Krieger will be featured in the latest episode of the AXS TV series The Big Interview, hosted by veteran newsman Dan Rather. It premieres tonight at 9 p.m. ET/6 p.m. PT. The Doors members were interviewed at the L.A.-area venue The Whisky a Go Go, where they served as the house band early in their career.
As Densmore explains, in the interview with Rather, he and Krieger shared memories about the nightclub while also chatting about politics and other topics.
In a preview clip from the show, John discusses late Doors frontman Jim Morrison's self-destructive tendencies.
"Self-destruction and creativity don't always come in the same package," Densmore notes. "Picasso lived to 90. But with Jim, they came together."